Damon Johnson

Interview by Dennis Morgillo

Madhouse Magazine: Damon, you've had an amazing career, I hope to fit all of this in. We're going to wrap up your whole life in this interview. You got a lot of stuff here. So, I want to start with the new stuff, so we make sure we get that in there. You have a new single out already. It's Shivering Shivering, great new song. I had a chance to hear that and a new album's coming out, Memoirs of An Uprising. So tell us about this album.

Damon Johnson: This is my solo album, 30 years in this crazy business, Dennis. It's taken me this long to just roll up my sleeves and go, you know what? It's just time to do this properly. The real catalyst is I felt like I had a lot to say. I'm probably more proud of the lyrics and the song writing on these 10 songs than anything I've done and certainly, Brother Cane made some great records and those songs. So many of them still hold up really well after all these years.

Damon Johnson:    When I was young and trying to figure out so many things, so there's this kind of internal euphoria, forgive that dramatic description. Man, I just feel really inspired, I feel like I've never been at a better place as a writer and I was very confident making this record. I produced it myself this time and I've got a great group of musicians and I just feel like there's a lot of synergy happening around my musical life. So, I guess I truly feel ready to kind of put my name in the artist category as opposed to just the guy in the band or the guy that plays guitar for some established classic bands. Feels great to be here in that place now.

Madhouse Magazine: Right, because you've had some solo albums, but they were acoustic, right? This is your first full length with a band.

Damon Johnson: That's right Dennis. Yeah, I put out a couple of acoustic records the first way back in 2000 and another one back in 2010 and those were fun. There's just almost kind of things to do as little side projects while I was busy. I was with Alice Cooper in 2010 and the thing in 2000 was just kind of a fluke. I played some shows right after Brother Cane broke up and a friend recorded them and they sounded really good and we just put it out and I didn't really think much more about it. But over the last certainly in the 2000's, I've done a lot of acoustic performances, but it's kind of like two separate careers I guess, Dennis. I feel like I do both electric and acoustic really well, but I rock and roll and playing electric guitar is really, I think, my biggest passion.

Damon Johnson: So to be able to do that as an artist it means I'm going to have to write more songs and there's been some great young singer songwriters that have inspired me so much in recent years and it's kind of lit a fire under me for lack of a better description. So like you started this interview off with, I have been so fortunate to do a lot of great stuff over the decades of my career. I don't know that I would've seen myself at a place like this. If you'd have told me back in the early 90's or something like that, it's just ... This is just kind of where my music life path has brought me and I could not be more proud of this record and these songs and the people that I am playing with.

Madhouse Magazine:    Sounds awesome. I can't wait for this to come out. It's going to be coming out in March and you've had a couple of shows. I know you're in the New York City area. You did a show last night as well?

Damon Johnson: We did, man. We played the famous Iridium, the late great Les Paul used to perform there weekly. Just special man. We had a good crowd last night. A lot of people expressing some of the things that you've already said, Dennis, that they're kind of here to celebrate all the music I've been a part of. So many people happy to hear some of the Brother Cane songs. We played four or five of those last night in the set and I just feel like we're building. For all the things that I've been able to accomplish, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's instant recognition from the general public as to who Damon Johnson is. 

Damon Johnson: We're ready to do the hard work really and kind of getting out there and putting in the time and hitting the tiles and taking every opportunity that we can to perform in front of people. But the Iridium was a great, great start for the year for us last night. We can't wait to play again tonight.

Madhouse Magazine:    Awesome. Now, so in case people don't know, let's go over your life here. You grew up in the south as people could tell from your accent. So, what was the scene like when you were growing up and who were your main guitar influences?

Damon Johnson: Well, the guitar really became an obsession when I was in grade school, as far back as like the seventh or eighth grade. What are you, 13, 14. Many of the bands that we all were into at that time were synonymous. Kiss and Lynyrd Skynyrd and Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, without a doubt man, when I discovered Thin Lizzy and Van Halen, those two bands were just massive for me. Van Halen from a guitar standpoint obviously, but Thin Lizzy for song writing lyrics, melodic guitar parts, all of that. So those were really key bands for me back then.

Damon Johnson: But, I moved to Birmingham in 1987 because I was asked to join a band that had some regional success and I was fortunate to find a really great scene in Birmingham at the time. A lot of places to play, lots of musicians into all kinds of things, new wave, punk. A lot of music that I hadn't really been exposed to up at that point because I had grown up way out in the sticks, so it was classic rock and country that I was exposed to before that. So Birmingham was great man and I played with three different bands, situations there and that led to me forming Brother Cane. Really, in 1991 was the actual year that that band was born.
Madhouse Magazine: Now I want to jump around here because there's so much going on, but you mentioned that Thin Lizzy was a big influence and of course later on you went and you played with Thin Lizzy. Did you ever imagine as a kid playing to the records, "All right, yeah, someday I'm going to be in this band with these guys".

Damon Johnson: No, never. Not possible. Not possible, Dennis. That doesn't happen and I would ask anyone really. I would love to know another example of that happening to anyone. I'm sure that the guys that are playing in Paul McCartney's band right now, of course they grew up on the Beatles and of course they loved those songs and we all daydream about something of that magnitude. But something in your brain just says, "Well, that'll never happen". So you know what I mean?

Madhouse Magazine: Absolutely.

Damon Johnson: When I joined Thin Lizzy in 2011, so many people in my life and even in the press knew how influential that band had been to me, and I would always get asked, "Hey man, could you just, does this still feel like a dream come true?" I say, "No, I've never dreamed this even possible. How does this, no, how does this go down to the kid who's driving his first car at 16?" Driving on country back roads and listening to a cassette tape of Live and Dangerous and just getting transported with how great the band sounds, how great the songs are. Wow, mind blowing that, that happened for me, man. I still just that story is still exciting to me till this day.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, it is amazing. So now as you're in this band, you guys are starting to talk about creating new music and you decide you don't want to call it Thin Lizzy and that's how Black Star Riders is formed. So tell us about that story.

Damon Johnson: Yeah. I played ... We played in Thin Lizzy with the legendary Scott Gorham who was a guitar player in their best years, all those mid seventies records that we all have been all so influenced by. Scott was really itching to write some new music and he had. The band was great at that point in time, great lead singer and Ricky Warwick who was also Irish, like Phil Lynott. Grew up in Belfast and was not only influenced by Phil, but influenced by a lot of the same great songwriters that Phil was as a young man. So, it made a lot of sense. We thought for a minute about calling it Thin Lizzy, but cooler heads prevailed. It just wouldn't have made sense, man. You can't call it Thin Lizzy without Phil Lynott. Scott knows that, we know that and the fans know that too. So I think when we put out that great debut Black Star Riders album in 2013, the Thin Lizzy fan base really came to our support because the music stood up and they were happy that we had not called it Thin Lizzy.

Damon Johnson: So, over the course of the subsequent six years man, we put out three great records, toured most of the time in Europe, especially in the UK because that's where the heart of the Thin Lizzy fan base is and I learned a lot, Dennis. When I decided to leave the band last summer, it was all love and respect. I still get on with those guys and we keep in touch and they're in the studio right now making the fourth Black Star Riders album and I know they're going to do great. I'm really proud for being a part of that and had it not been for Black Star Riders, I don't know that I would have been inspired this moment for me to now just set out on my own. We play a couple of Black Star Riders songs in the set when I play with my band now, and it's certainly a part of my history that I'm very proud of.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, absolutely. That was a great band. I actually saw you guys when you're on tour with Judas Priest, I was right in the front row, that was an excellent show.

Damon Johnson: That's great brother.

Madhouse Magazine: I thought yuo guys were better than the headliners.

Damon Johnson: Well thanks, man. That was a great tour last year and when my book is written one day, if my book is written, it was on that tour that I began to really give serious thought to move it on and do my own thing. I'm glad that you were knocked out by the band, it's been really tough for Black Star Riders to really move the needle in North America and as a US citizen, as a husband and a father that lives here, I definitely want to be able to play more here in the US and Canada. We just weren't able to really grow much support as Black Star Riders over here and I'm not sure I understand exactly why that is. But, the guys are going to carry on that musical standup forever, man. Really proud of those songs
Madhouse Magazine: Yeah. It's great stuff and that's the thing, you just keep moving on and always looking for different things and you're evolving and that's what I love about you. Let's talk about your time in Alice Cooper now. So, you were on the Dirty Diamonds album, you co-wrote actually one of my favorite Alice Cooper songs, Perfect. You co-wrote that song. So what was it like when you first ... Like how did you get into the Alice Cooper band? Then, what was it like when you first sat down to write a song with him?

Damon Johnson: All of that was pretty much equally as incredible as the Thin Lizzy experience. I had a couple of Alice Cooper records as a kid, certainly fully aware of his legend. But in 2004, I had just remarried the year before. My wife Linda and I were expecting our first child together and Alice had a guitar player for a few years named Eric Dover, who you might be familiar with that name, but Eric was also from Alabama. Eric was playing in Cooper's band and himself was getting ready to move on and do his own thing. So he recommended me to Allison, their tour manager, and he called me to tell me that he had recommended me. I remember thinking, "Wow, okay, well Eric has been drinking. This is, he must be drunk, this isn't..." and I literally blew it off, Dennis, and sure enough, about a week later I got a phone call from the tour manager.

Damon Johnson: He said, "We're going to have auditions in Los Angeles and you've come highly recommended from Eric who we respect. Here's when the audition is". The tricky part was, the audition was on a Thursday and my wife and I were expecting our son the Tuesday before.

Madhouse Magazine: Oh, no.

Damon Johnson: So, we talked about it, we knew, "Well, this could be something. It's worth the chance, there's no guarantees". So Gabriel was born on Tuesday, I sat in the hospital with him with my headphones and my guitar practicing the songs and flew to LA about 48 hours later. It was really funny, Dennis, when I arrived. I was dressed kind of like I dress every day, man, jeans, converse, a black tee shirt. I showed up ready to play the songs and there were other guitar players there to audition as well and man, every one of these guys looked like they were going to a Motley Crue video shoot. You know what I'm saying?

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, absolutely.

Damon Johnson: I remember thinking, "Oh man, nobody told me I had to put on a clown suit to come and audition" and I literally thought, "Well, I'm not going to get it" because I didn't dress the part, but I went in and played, knocked out the songs. Cooper was not there, they videotaped the audition because he was filming a television commercial and flew home the next day. Then, I think it was about, again 48 hours later, the phone rings, it's Alice Cooper.

Madhouse Magazine: Wow.

Damon Johnson: He said, "I loved it, man. Watched your playing, clearly you've done this before. You sing great background vocals". So I spent about five years with Alice and you mentioned the Dirty Diamonds album, Dennis. It was only about three months after that first run of tour dates I did with him that he went straight in to make that record. So that happened really quickly and so much fun to be a part of, not just recording that record, but the song writing. I love writing with Alice. It was great to be sitting in a room and watch him kind of turn into that guy, that great lyric writer man. So many great lyrics Alice has written over the years. That was another learning experience for sure.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah and that was like one of your best weeks, huh?
You have a new son and you're in the Alice Cooper band, right?

Damon Johnson: Best week ever been, that's definite. No doubt about it.

Madhouse Magazine: I heard that you also play a lot of golf with him when you are on tour. Did you ever step back and say, "Holy crap, here I am playing golf with Alice Cooper?"

Damon Johnson: Yeah. I love sharing that story with people too. On that phone call that I mentioned that he called to tell me that I was his favorite from the audition, he told me when the first rehearsal was going to be. I think there was about five weeks of tour dates in the US that were about to happen. So right before we hung up, I said, "Hey, Cooper, one last question. Is it okay if I bring my golf clubs?" He goes, "Oh, wow, you play golf?" And I went, "Well, I play at golf, I'm not really very good. But I sure love to play and I know you play and I don't know, man, I just thought we could go out and play, you know, two or three times over that month that we're going to be out".

Damon Johnson: He cracked up, Dennis. He goes, "Damon, two or three times a month?" He goes, "Listen, I play golf every day. You just won the lottery". That was his exact words, "Hand to my heart brother". We had the rehearsals and played that first show and the next morning, we played golf somewhere up in New Jersey and over the course of those four weeks, I guarantee, we played 21 rounds of golf minimum. It was crazy. So yeah, over the course of those five years, we probably played 100 rounds together each year. That's sounds crazy to some people, but that's a real number. I'm not inflating that being dramatic. We played four or five times a week religiously.

Madhouse Magazine: Wow, you must be ready for the pros now.

Damon Johnson: Well, I thought I was there for a minute. You know, I got down to about 11 or 12 handicap. But, it was a ... Golf is hard. Rock and roll is easy, golf is hard.

Madhouse Magazine: So now I also heard this story that you were in Damn Yankees for about a minute and you recorded an album with them that was never released. What happened there?

Damon Johnson: It was a really weird situation, man. This was in that time period between the end of Brother Cane and the start from my time with Alice Cooper and John Kalodner, the famous A & R man that we all saw in video's Aerosmith and some other bands. John was a fan of mine and had kept up with me to Brother Cane. Damn Yankees was going to make a third record. Tommy Shaw had just acquired the rights to the name Styx, they had parted ways with Dennis DeYoung. So Tommy was going to need to work hard to kind of reestablish Styx. So he gave the band his blessing to bring in someone else to make a Damn Yankees record. So one day I get a phone call from John Kalodner who had heard some demos of some new songs I was working on for possibly a solo record and he had Jack Blades with him who had listened to those songs and had gotten very excited about it. Jack was aware of Brother Cane, et cetera, et cetera.

Damon Johnson:    So yeah, let's see what year was that. 2000? 2001, somewhere in there. I flew out to Santa Rosa where Jack Blades lived and there was the whole band, Michael Cartellone, Ted Nugent. Ted I knew because we had played dates with Ted back in the Brother Cane days and he was an outspoken fan, supporter of me and my music and guitar playing and all of that. So he was really excited that I was there and like you said, we put in the time and we wrote an entire record. There are a few songs that Jack and Tommy had already written and then during the recording, Tommy actually came back in and overdubbed some guitar, singing some background vocals and stuff like that.

Damon Johnson: I don't really know how else to describe it other than when we got the final mixes of the record, everyone was kind of underwhelmed. The band, Kalodner, really and truly, I don't know that the record had that one knockout, undeniable home run of a song particularly at that point, man in the year 2000. If you were going to be ... If you had to put out a new record and you're a classic rock band, you better have some special song on it. Because they were still MTV, there was still infrastructure in the record business, music business. So I don't think the record really had that song and that was kind of it. I run into those guys from time to time in their various solo incarnations and it was a cool experience for me. But I think I was about, I don't know, eight or 10 years, a little bit into the next generation after those guys, my influences were different. I don't know that they were listening to the Pixies and Husker Du and early Soundgarden sub pop records like I was.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah. But was it easy working with Ted Nugent? I wouldn't imagine he would like to share the spotlight at all with another guitar player. But ...

Damon Johnson: Well, it was easy working with Ted again because the respect from him was just unwavering. He was such a fan of my songwriting and just my musicality. I never was jockeying for position on lead guitar stuff, that was kind of Ted's contribution really to most of the songs with his guitar playing. As a kid that grew up on his records as well, there's no denying that it was pretty wild man, because I did some lead vocals over a couple of songs and it was just wild, man, to hear me singing and then here comes the guitar solo and there's Ted just ripping, doing his thing. Ted and I share very different politics, but musically man, we grew up on a lot of the same stuff. 

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah. Of course.

Damon Johnson: Music is great, man.

Madhouse Magazine: Music transcends all worlds, I say.

Damon Johnson: It really does, man. Again, I'm grateful for that experience and a lot of respect there for everybody involved musically, for sure.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah. Maybe some day they'll put it out.

Damon Johnson: Maybe so. We'll see.
Madhouse Magazine: Now we're working our way backwards, it appears here. So let's go back to Brother Cane. As you mentioned, you guys had three albums in the 90's. You had number one hits on the rock chart. Actually one of your songs, And Fools Shine On, was in the Halloween movie soundtrack. 

Damon Johnson: Yeah, man.

Madhouse Magazine: You must have been really excited when that happened?

Damon Johnson: That was a big moment for us. We had come off a fairly successful first album. We had three songs on rock radio. Got No Shame actually made it to number one, that was our debut single and kind of the world's introduction to Brother Cane and we couldn't have expected any of that. A record company, Virgin Records really felt more like a boutique label because they had artists like Lenny Kravitz and Janet Jackson and David Bowie and we weren't really that at all. We were just four guys from Alabama in those jeans and tee shirts just playing straight ahead rock and roll. So to have the success we had on radio, was unexpected and really exciting.

Damon Johnson: So we followed that up with our second album, which was called "Seeds" and "And Fools Shine On" was the first single and crushed it at radio. I think it was number one for about six weeks and just really took us to the next level, man. We got support tours with Aerosmith and Van Halen and like you mentioned, the Halloween, I think it was Halloween Six was the movie and really exciting man to be the theme song for that film. That was a good year for us, man. Lots of fun.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, like you said, you're on tour now with your other heroes that you talked about Aerosmith and Van Halen. It must've been a lot of fun, your first brush with huge success, that must've been the most fun for you.

Damon Johnson: I think it definitely was, Dennis. It's interesting that we're talking about all these heroes and people that I've shared the stage with. There's no doubt that those experiences have helped this moment that I'm in now. There's no magic trick to any of that stuff. Those guys, they have ... I have all the same skills as they do and they just happened to come up at a different era.

Madhouse Magazine: Absolutely.

Damon Johnson:    Things happen for them, they'd be the first ones to say that they were very fortunate and they had great people around and a great label or great management and great band or whatever. So, I had someone last night after the show here in New York asked me like, "Man, what took you so long to just be Damon Johnson?" And I said, "I don't know really the answer to that, man. I just wasn't ready to be Damon Johnson, I guess." But I do know that I've had enough experiences that there's no more need for me to build my confidence anymore. It's not like I need to sit down with a therapist to keep my head together, to venture out on my own and call the shots and be the band director and be the producer and a songwriter. I'm ready, man and this record really proves that.

Damon Johnson: This is fun for me, Dennis to talk about these experiences I've had in the past because I learned an immeasurable amount of things from all of those experiences and I'm really fortunate to have done all that stuff.

Madhouse Magazine: Absolutely. So now when you're traveling all around, everyone's talking about this state of rock and roll and the future of rock and roll, the future of guitars for example. Do you find like in Europe maybe, is there a blossoming scene, people just playing rock and roll, love rock and roll or maybe here in the United States? What do you think the future is?

Damon Johnson: Well, I think the guitar is in great hands and I think the future of that is great. People would ask sometimes they go, "Is rock and roll dead?" I have an answer to that. The answer is yes and no. If you're talking about is rock and roll dead as a cultural touchstone and influential in politics and fashion and other art, the answer is yes. It's been around a long time, it's had a great run, but my kids, 10 years old, 14 years old, they're not listening to rock and roll and none of their friends are. It's just not the cultural influence that it used to be. But, is rock and roll dead in the way of "Can you go out every night and hear a great rock band? Are there established rock bands making more money than they've ever made at any point in their career?" Yes, they are.

Damon Johnson: So rock and roll is alive and well in that way. I've got a sister that's always complaining about the state of rock and it's like, "Look, just go see your favorite band. Your favorite band is, you know, Pearl Jam. You can go see them and they're doing great. If your favorite band is some 80's band, you know, like Warrant, those guys are playing every weekend and kicking ass and you know, drawing crowds and you can go and relive the old days and have a good time. So enjoy that."

Madhouse Magazine: It is different now, that it's more touring, like you said. The bands have to make the money through touring as opposed to record sales, it appears.

Damon Johnson: Yeah, that's right. The Internet has obviously changed everything. There's so much noise right at your fingertips and then you got that noise right on your phone. It's just, it's in your hands. I can hang out with you man and search, let's take up a punk band like Stiff Little Fingers and I can listen to 10 killer Stiff Little Fingers songs and I've never even heard of those guys until five or six years ago. Well, that's a lot of minutiae right there at your fingertips. The biggest challenge for me right now as Damon Johnson, is how do I get people's attention? How do I get them to quiet their busy brain long enough to go, "Who is this guy? What does he sound like and why should I be interested in this?" I know man, if I could just get their ear for just 30 seconds to check something out, they'll go, "All right, I'm feeling that. I hear he's saying something in there while the guitar sounds really good. He must know what he's doing".

Damon Johnson: So that's the challenge facing me in the band right now is to just poke our heads up through the cellophane that covers everyone's brain with so much information, you know?

Madhouse Magazine:    Yeah. Absolutely. That's the challenge. I heard you were just at the NAMM Show as well in California?

Damon Johnson: Had a great experience at NAMM this year, representing Gibson Guitars. The company has had a major change in their upper management and the new CEO is just a great guy. I've got a lot of friends that work for Gibson and just everyone's attitude is at a good place right now. It was scary there for a couple of years.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, it looked bleak for them for awhile.

Damon Johnson: It really did. So that was my biggest takeaway from there, but I've had the support of so many great companies over the years of my career, SIT Strings, Dunlop Pedals. It was great to go and see all those guys, Celestion Speakers, man. I hung around there for two hours one day and got to talk to all the guys with the company and see a lot of fans come up and I've never performed on stage or recorded a note of guitar that didn't come through Celestion Speakers. So it's fun to go in to talk shop and talk about guitar because I'm a nerd about guitars and tone and amps and I love it man. Really great experience it has been this year.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, absolutely. I bet you still can't walk past a guitar store without going in and looking around, right?

Damon Johnson: Never, never, ever. It's just impossible and my wife just shakes her head because I can never have too many Gibson Les Paul's and Epiphone Les Paul's. I came home with another one then and she's like, "Well, we can always make some wall space for the guitars as you can only play one at a time". I'm like, "Yeah, we need that one. Look at how great that one looks".

Madhouse Magazine: I need it. So how many Guitars in your collection? Do you even know?

Damon Johnson: Yeah, I do, man. I don't have like this grotesque amount of guitars, but I think 30 is a lot. That's a lot of- a lot of instruments and several Les Paul's, I got a couple of beautiful 335's. I have a Korina Wood Explorer, a Korina Flying V. I got some Strat's, I got two Strat's and I've got a Telecaster, it's really special. It's the one that Roman Glick was the guitar player in Brother Cane on the first album and he got that guitar back then and I coveted that thing the whole time we were a band and I had an opportunity to buy it a few years back. So I love that guitar. I love Acoustics, I got a beautiful Gibson J-200, got a new Epiphone hummingbird. Again, man, I guess I'm an addict to that stuff. But, its not like when I see Rick Nielsen. I mean, Rick's got 500 guitars. 500 and that's a real number, that's not ... Again, that's not inflated, he's got guessing. He knows that he's got 500 guitars. That's a real, like he needs therapy, man. You need help only when you need that many guitars.

Madhouse Magazine: Yeah, that's awesome. All right, so I'll let you go now and thank you for talking to me and good luck with the new album, the new single. Good luck on your tour and tonight in New York City, it's freezing cold out. So, you better stay warm, are you used to this weather at all?

Damon Johnson: Yeah. You know, man, it gets cold like this in Nashville. It's actually really cold at home right now-

Madhouse Magazine: You live in Nashville?

Damon Johnson: I live in Nashville. It's cold-

Madhouse Magazine: Everybody I talk to, I was talking to John Oates last week. He lives in Nashville. Every single person lives in Nashville, that's the place to be.

Damon Johnson: Well, Nashville's a great place, man. If you're a musician in any genre because as far as running your business, everything you need is there. Studios-

Madhouse Magazine: Exactly, that's what he said.

Damon Johnson: Storage facilities, rehearsal facilities, publishing companies, publicists, on and on and on, and a lot more affordable certainly for a guy like me, man, I'm not John Oates. John can stay in California, no problem. I married a California girl and she would love nothing better for us to live there, but it's a little more in our budget for us to be there. But Dennis, I can't thank you enough, man. This has been a very enjoyable experience talking with you. Thanks for talking about Memoirs of An Uprising and sharing it with folks. I'm really grateful to you.

Madhouse Magazine: It was great talking to you. Thanks. Everyone, go out and buy Memoirs of An Uprising and Shivering Shivering. Go see Damon Johnson wherever you can.

Madhouse Magazine: Alright, thanks Damon.

Damon Johnson: Dennis, you're pro dude. hell, man. So good, thank you.

Madhouse Magazine: Alright. Take it easy.

Damon Johnson: Alright man, I'll talk to you soon. Thanks.
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